Category Archives: Pleasure

Instead of a Show!!

So my friend sent this song to me and said it was dedicated to me. This song is song powerful … it is called “Instead of a Show”. It’s about today’s version of “Church” and how they HATE it. Not only do they talk about why they hate it but then they give an answer to how the Church should be. It’s actually according to scripture. This is a fantastic find… Praise God the body is waking up.

Keep in mind that my website is barely about the hypocrisy of today’s version of “church”. Thats our nature as humans … I don’t focus on it and neither should you but the fact that it has been created into a show is a great point here. Today’s version of church is meant to be a show versus the early church. It’s really a definition change. How could we allow the term CHURCH to be redefined as it has been?

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Do I HATE the “CHURCH”?

So by now I’ve learned that there a few spectrum of views on my blog; we have the ones that are part of the system of the institutionalized church (Traditions), those who are thinking about leaving, those have left and learned to become the church and LOVE, and other. Recently I was asked the question as to who is my page targeting? Is it targeting the unbelievers? How about the youth? Is it the sinners? My answer was that I am targeting whoever happens to come across my page. That person felt I only focus on the “CHURCH” and homosexuality. While I do focus on both of those but not as much as one may say. Out of 47 articles on this blog about three of them are about homosexuality and as for the CHURCH thing, of course my blog is about the church. Everything I post will have scripture from God’s word. I don’t value my opinion or anyone else’s. Only the word of God. (Also I might add that the articles on homosexuality are usually about myself. I’ve gotten great responses from practicing homosexuals saying they really appreciate how I put myself out their like that, some even say I’ve taken their excuses away. Praise God)

The question was then asked, DO I HATE THE CHURCH? I responded, “No I do not hate the church because the Church is the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.” With that said, I LOVE THE CHURCH, I LOVE BEING PART OF THE CHURCH. The thing is I have had to redefine what the word Church means to fit the definition of the word of God. When we think of Church today we think of building with people in it. When I think of Church I think of each person who choose to deny themselves to follow the Christ. I don’t think of the 10 “church” buildings on one block as the church anymore. THIS BLOG IS ABOUT BREAKING THE DIVISION WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AS THE CHURCH. Let me say that again, THIS BLOG IS ABOUT BREAKING THE DIVISION WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AS THE CHURCH. I am interested in becoming one again and loving one another as we read in the book of Acts.

Acts 4

The Believers Share Their Possessions

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.

As we know divisions always tried to set themselves up in the body of Christ and in Israel. Let’s look at Paul when he found out people began creating divisions based on who they choose to FOLLOW. The first signs of divisional churches.

1 Cor 1 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

We have completely ignored this and decided we wanted our own leaders to follow anyway. Today we live in a world where the minute you tell someone your Christian, They want to know what CHURCH do you belong to? Which really means who do you follow, what man do you follow? This is NOT what God intended for the body of Christ. If you remember in Acts, the Church was so unified that they got rid of the idea of need in the body.

So now for those who judge this blog harshly because it challenges what you already believe about the Church, I ask that you read them first. It is easy for us to generalize a person based on our disagreements. Offense is what we humans hold on to not LOVE. So if my post about homosexuality offends someone it’s what they will generalize this blog about. If another person is offended by my articles about tithing, they will generalize that my blog is about tithing. You begin to realize that the viewer will interpret something the way they please. There are 47 articles on this blog at this time and they are all a broad range of topics. The most popular ones are about the traditions of today’s church and reading God’s word to find out if those traditions are biblically acceptable. So do I hate the church? ABSOLUTELY NOT but I do hate many of the traditions that nullify the word of God. Does this mean that those who go to institutionalized churches are condemned? Let it not be, meaning no. God be the judge of the hearts. I have many friends who still choose to attend them and I love them and they love me. I am one with them as the church. One then asks how do I fellowship? I meet in homes, hang out with homeless, and am usually out with believers, learning from and with them. See we have be en trained to believe that you must be in a pew Sunday or Saturday morning. Usually you aren’t really followshipping. Yes your sitting next to one another but you can’t really get to know your brother or sister. You hold hands during prayer and you leave in a few hours. I was in that type of setting for most of my life and honestly I can’t recall most of the people I’ve sat next to unless friends already. Now I learn from other believers and know who they are intimately as part of the bride.

I love you all!

Praise Jesus!


Homophobia: A Word about Hate to Promote Hate

There is a word that a Christian is accused of just by carrying the Christian “title” The word is homophobic; a word that is about hatred but what exactly does this word produce? Webster says it is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. The way the word is used today has pretty much become a word to produce more hatred. What happens now is when a person does not agree or appreciate the practice of the  homosexual lifestyle based on their own values they become someone who is full of hatred. There are absolutely many people who do hate homosexuals but there are also people who just don’t believe in any other sexual relationship except for that of a man and a woman. I’m talking about people who are Christians (and Jews) that understand that the word of God is God’s words to and about us. Those who follow the scripture because they know that is what Christ wants from us.

First lets talk about the false Christians that do sow hatred.

1 Cor 6:9-1 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, 5 practicing homosexuals, 6 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, 7 and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. 8 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ 9 and by the Spirit of our God.

We have a scripture here that tells us types of sins that will not be able to enter into the Kingdom of God and one of them is the practice of homosexuality. Many people have taking the title of Christian, yet continue to show hatred. Leave it to media which controls most of populations to only show these type of people.

Then we actually do have those who don’t have the love from God and do hate people. Of course the media wants to focus on people like this which they know WILL shape how we identify Christians. They focus on groups like West Baptist Church and let them stand for all Christians. Two things happen here… Either people no longer want to be identified with the Christian title OR they create a false Christianity that agrees with only what they want God to say. That money is good, homosexuality is great, in fact some even create their god to be gay.

What is not told by media and people who condemn Christians is that true loving Christians like myself will actually give their live for a homosexual person. As much hate as people try to spit at us, that truth will never be focused on unless that person agrees with sin. They would never understand how a person could give their life for someone they don’t agree with. Clearly they don’t understand Jesus’s love. Who died for the world whom He disagreed with. The understanding of Christian love is not about agreeing with everyone out there… it’s to love everyone regardless of who they are. Even if you hate their lifestyles. There are Christians that go to prisons with murderers and love them, yet we somehow can’t love homosexuals; there are Christians out there who minister to prostitutes, yet somehow we are still portrayed as hating homosexuals.

Please understand Mark 13:13

And everyone will hate you because you are my followers. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. The world will find every reason to hate us guys. Even if the hate is not warranted. What is Satan doing now? He is making the world feel they have the right to hate us. Everyday we have more highly esteemed homosexuals in the spotlight which helps more people identify with homosexuals. It makes us think, God must be wrong… how can someone so nice and relate-able be living in sin. Thus we have a crisis with ourselves that can lead to us either as I said before… leave Christ or following a false Christ that agrees with what we want Him to agree with.

Now we have billboards like from http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org pronouncing that being born gay is a gift from God. RUN…RUN FAST!!!

Remember my article from earlier… the one about Alice bailey? Most of her ideas were to remove Christianity from our culture. One of the ways to do this was to make Christians accept other ideas other than God’s. (BABYLON) I remember at my last job a “Christian” woman no longer was sure God was right about homosexuality. She had so many friends who were and couldn’t stand to believe they were going against God with their practices. Thus that conflict started within herself. See we don’t understand we don’t have to treat them like dirt and hate them because we don’t appreciate the practice. Continue to love!!!

I say this to you to close it off:

HE WHO ENDURES UNTIL THE END SHALL BE SAVED!

Praise Jesus!


MEDIA: Tools of Babylon (Conditioning Hatred of Christians)

Hopefully you guys have read my article about getting a new world order. (http://goo.gl/yW9T) I’m not the type of person to really focus on that type of conspiracy type thinking which is why there aren’t many post about it on my blog. What I have noticed from that blog is that there  is a serious attack on Christianity by the Media (world). It is to be expected and it absolutely will get worse. As we hide in our building (insto churches) we are missing what is really going on out there. Many of us Christians enjoy the news because we feel we need to know what is going on out there. As if the news is covering what is really going on out there. I remember in college I had a professor who was suppose to be teaching us psychology but used his classes as a platform to educate us on what is really going on. He showed us a documentary about the media (namely the news) and how they work. Many of the people in that documentary have disappeared after doing it. (consequence, I think not). We this article is about the attack on Christianity. As most of us know there is a movement to “equal rights” for homosexuals. Thats fine and dandy but the strategy that the media is taking absolutely appears to be from the teachings of Alice Bailey.

2. Break the Traditional Judaeo-Christian Family Concept. Break communication between parents and children so that parents can’t pass on spiritual values to their children. Do this by pushing excessive child rights.

4. Since sex is the greatest expression of man’s enjoyment of life, man must be free to express sex in ALL its forms. Homosexuality, orgies, even bestiality are desirable so long as no one is being abused or harmed.

As you see, her teaching is to get rid of the Christian idea that follows God’s word but create a new version of Christianity. This is absolutely happening. I remember at work when I was accused of being a homophobe because I posted a scripture about homosexuality on my facebook wall. This one girl said she doesn’t know if God is right about homosexuality. This is a “Christian” now. Christians are just as confused as ever because of media.

Lately the media has been focusing on suicide of homosexual youth. Labeling it hate crimes when so far none of them were because of hate crimes on homosexuality but more of stupidness of other youth. Now some youth that were acting stupid will be labeled as bigots for the rest of their lives.

Now I go on youtube and they are promoting a channel to gay youth called “It’s Going To Get Better”. Which is fine as well but why is it they do things so drastic for homosexuals but not for other types of issues in this world. How about the homeless, where is the “Its Going to Get Better For Them”? What about the people in Iraq, mentally challenged children, and I can continue. Media only focuses on what they want for reasons beyond what we are told.

For the past few years the main false Christian movement media has focused on is that of Westboro Baptist Church. They will continue to focus on them because it paints the picture of Christians that they want to show. This will and is creating a prejudice that many people will think is warranted.  Now when I comment on any video on youtube I get hate messages from people. I can simply say I love this song and I get thinks like get out of here you homophobe. Why? because my name is OCHRISTFOLLOWER.

So two things are happening… The world is being conditioned to HATE Christians and those who want to be accepted by the world and keep the Christian name are conditioned to think God is wrong about certain things. That brings us to another one of Alice Bailey’s teachings.

10.Get the church to endorse every one of these nine strategies. Get the church to accept these principles and to say they’re OK (then legal ground is given for these values to get a foothold).

Now we will soon truly understand what Babylon is. Why God has to tell us to COME OUT OF BABYLON. It’s either you accept God’s truth or you accept the false church beliefs. Eventually it will become law to accept Babylon’s teachings opposed to Christ teachings. Although they will say its Christ teachings. I was just in Texas and they have billboards saying things like Jesus was OK with the homosexual lifestyle.

Media is powerful and can change the views of people. I limit my viewing of it and I never watch the news. I can see whats going on every time I see it. For those who do watch it, I want you guys to recognize what you see happening.

Mark 13:13 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

John 15:21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

So true Christians will be hated if they stand firm on Christ teachings. If the bible says homosexuality is not the way of God then we are to stand firm on it no matter what. Those who accept another teaching about the subject that isn’t from the word of God is not of God. Doesn’t mean we throw hate at people …we are to love but we are to stand firm.

Praise Jesus

OC



Accept Who You Are – Babylon’s wisdom

Today’s society is teaching this idea of acceptance of one self. Right now the movement is pushing for the homosexual lifestyle which will support the notion of practicing it. Even today’s Christians are beginning to be conflicted with this concept because of how vast the media induces this idea. Well this article is not about the world’s view, they can do what they like. If they want to support being whatever a person wants to do then OK… it’s the nature of the world (As long as its socially acceptable for them). This article is about Jesus teachings, does Jesus teach us to Accept Who We Are in the sinful aspect of it. If the area of the sinful nature you are facing is homosexuality, lying, fornication or anything else that is becoming socially normal in today’s age; are we to accept that as being who we are?

We lets start with Jesus words and exactly what it means:

Mark 8:34-35 (NIV) Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.”

 
  • Bible Knowledge Commentary: “When the Roman Empire crucified a criminal or captive, the victim was often forced to carry his cross part of the way to the crucifixion site, carrying his cross through the heart of the city.”


Luke 9:23-24 (NIV) Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lost it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.”

 
  • NIV Study Notes: “The picture is of a man, already condemned, required to carry the beam of his own cross to the place of execution. Disciples from Galilee knew what this meant, for hundreds of men had been executed by this means in their region.”


Mat 10:38 (NIV) … anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

By no surprise, Jesus teachings are exactly contrary to what is being influenced today. Jesus tells us to DENY OURSELVES. That means the goals we have for ourselves in this life, the sin in our lives that we enjoy and feel is apart of us. For example, if a person deals with the sin of being attracted to the same-sex and have practiced it to the point they decide to follow Christ. Christ makes the difficult request that that person denies that part of himself to follow him. (Personal example)  Another example because I don’t want those who practice that lifestyle think this is targeting them. I’ll go even more personal with this one. A person wants to be a singer and make lots of money doing it. Once that person finds Christ, the same request is asked of them, to lay down your life (goals and dreams) and follow Him. Doesn’t sound so intriguing to our sinful natures does it? For so long we ignored these words of Christ and supported the idea that we can focus on our dreams and follow Christ. Many times we attempt to make a bargain with God and follow after the same dream but try to make it Christian oriented. (Pop Singer to Gospel Singer) If this gospel, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ was taught today by more people, it definitely wouldn’t make Christianity seem as appealing as it does, but this is how it is guys. You can continue in this life and think you are living a life after Christ while following your own self but you will be up for a real surprise. This is a lie from Babylon… the great whore. (Excuse my French)

This was a revelation that I too had a hard time understanding. I really thought I was following Christ but realized later I was actually depending on my own dreams and trying to make it Christian oriented. I wanted to be a singer and then gospel singer after finding Christ. I felt I could now turn MY DREAM into God’s dream for me. At the same time I saw the wealth that came from that dream, I saw the recognition that came from that dream. I hadn’t truly denied myself yet. This same concept goes for sin guys because it is the sinful nature that controls our desires for those dreams. It’s all the same. So we have the world tells us to BE WHO YOU ARE, ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE, BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE, and even if your Christian the world would only say BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE IF YOU ACCEPT WHAT WE SAY IS RIGHT. I remember having a conversation with a co-worker because she didn’t like that I post teachings for the bible about homosexuality. It wasn’t exactly a problem with her but she just wasn’t sure anymore if God was right about it. This is how Babylon’s wisdom gets imprinted into our heads. Now even those who claim to follow Christ don’t believe in Christ wisdom (which is God’s wisdom).

So now, what happens when a Christian says they are DENYING the sinful nature (like homosexuality), the world calls that person a homophobe (hateful words about hate – Contradiction) and causes everyone to mock and snare at them. They say things like, “He’s being fake” or “He’s living a lie”, when the real lie is a person who thinks they can practice sin and be a Christian. It only shows that the mindset is based on a SELF mindset. Self meaning, This is my life and I’m going to do what I please. (The goal of a Satanist)

What happens when something that is not socially acceptable relies on Babylon’s wisdom? This mindset of accept who you are? What happens when a person who has had murderous thoughts finally accepts who they are? What happens when that fornicator accepts who they are and finds out news that destroys their lives? What happens when that person who is attracted to children accepts who they are or that person attracted to animals? We stone them!!! See the world has a mindset that is set up for failure. It’s a contradiction and hypocrisy and they know it is. This is why the rebuttal has been created saying ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE AS LONG AS IT DOESN’T HURT ANYONE ELSE. Please do not be deceived by Babylon’s wisdom guys. I’ve told you this before from the word of God… it is NOT easy to follow Christ resulting in salvation. (1 Peter 4:18a And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved…) You will never have a relationship with Christ until you DENY WHO YOU ARE. Who are we? We are human beings that understand sin and not the ways of God. (Ephesians 2:3 Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.)

So I’ll be more personal. Me? I’m denying homosexuality, lying, masturbation, fornication, disrespect, idolatry (money); the Holy Spirit continues to show me more sins from the sinful nature that I must recognize and denied. He who endures until the END shall be saved.

Be free guys… come out of her and be free. Christians, come out of her so that you do not share in the same destruction. (Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;)

Praise Jesus!

OC

Related Article: Homosexual Birth! Possible or Impossible?


Gift of Tongues (Languages) Vs. Gibberish

I’m often asked about this phenomenon of speaking in tongues. Today’s charismatic church has this movement where they all scream and yell in a language no one understands. Is that what the apostles were doing when people from other nations understood what they were saying? So what did we do? We realized there was an apparent contradiction so we created an answer from our own understanding. Now we teach that there are 2 different types of gifts of tongues. One is called diverse tongues which is speaking other languages as the holy spirit gives us and the other is what we see today. Speaking in a tongue no man knows because of misunderstanding of some scriptures in Corinthians. Well I found a wonderful and biblically correct understanding from a man name Mr. Jim McClarty. Let’s check out Mr. McClarty and what he says about it. Someone asked him the question and that is presented by the “Q-” and then he goes on to answer it where it says “Jim-”

Q – I have a question for you. I have been tempted to visit this fairly large (actually huge) Church of God. I bet there at least 1,000 or 2,000 (if not more) members – which I think is too large, people get lost in the crowd. In any event, my problem with the Church of God is the speaking in tongues thing. What are your thoughts on the subject? I’m sure you must have addressed this at some point. Any guidance or thoughts? I would like to know your perspective on this.

Jim – So, speaking in tongues, eh? I do have an opinion (as you might expect). I’ve been asked about it frequently because there’s plenty of confusion out there. But, there doesn’t need to be. The Greek word that is translated “tongues” is “glossa” – from which we get the English word “glossary.” It should have been translated “language,” but during the days of King James (1611) the word “tongue” was synonymous with “language.” For instance, we still talk about people who speak a “foreign tongue.” And, that’s the way the word is used in the Bible. It means, “spoken language.” Now, the first place where the phenomenon of men speaking in languages they didn’t naturally speak (or know) was on the day of Pentecost, at the inception of the Church. Peter stood up to speak, but his audience was filled with Jews from all over the middle Asia area, who spoke a variety of languages and dialects. “And, they (the apostles) were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.” (Acts 2:4-6) What should be instantly obvious from that passage was that the apostles spoke actual foreign languages in order that the multitude could all understand. That’s what “tongues” was all about and what the purpose was. Without the methods and means of mass communication that we have available today, every area developed languages and dialects unique to themselves. But, when the time came for the Gospel of Christ to be spread abroad, the message was carried by fishermen, tax collectors, zealots and the like who spoke Greek and some Aramaic. “And they (the men from every nation) were amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappodocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And, they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?” (Acts 2:7-12) So, God miraculously caused the Apostles to speak languages that were unknown to them and caused the listeners to hear in their own language. And, the gospel of grace spread. But again, it’s obvious that the “tongues” spoken by the Apostles were known, definable languages, not babble or gibberish.

As Paul journeyed through his ministry, he encountered many languages and preached nonetheless. As the Church grew, the gifts of the Spirit spread in order to promote the message of grace. But, some began to abuse the gifts and Paul had to correct them – “I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all; yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.” (1 Cor.14:19-20) Paul went on to instruct the Corinthian church that tongues were not to be exercised in the church meetings. The gift of tongues was a method for preaching and evangelizing among the lost. But, the church was to gather for the purpose of reading, studying, preaching and exhorting through the Word. “Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not; but prophesying [preaching the word] serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?” (1 Cor. 14:22-23) So, Paul was quite clear that speaking with tongues – other known, spoken, extant languages of the day – was for a sign to unbelievers and not something to be exhibited in the church. In the church, preaching and teaching are the priority. Now, when most people think of “speaking in tongues” they mean the sort of ecstatic utterances that we see on TBN or in Assembly of God churches. The people who exercise that sort of activity call themselves “Pentecostal” to connect themselves with the gifts that appeared at the first Pentecost. Or, they are known as “Charismatic” from the Greek word for gifts of the Spirit – “charis.” That word is also translated “grace” in many passages. There is no evidence in Scripture that any of the apostles or early church members ever broke into fits of uncontrolled verbiage and noises. When the Spirit spoke through the Apostles, it spoke a language known by the hearers for the purpose of advancing the gospel message.

The primary verse that the proponents of ecstatic utterance use is from 1 Corinthians 13:1. It’s the beginning of Paul’s great treatise on love and charity. From the context it’s clear that Paul is speaking in hyperbole, overstating his case, in order to prove that charitable love is the greatest Christian virtue. It reads – “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And, though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And, though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.” (1 Cor. 1-3) Obviously, Paul was saying that even if he had every spiritual gift to the maximum but failed in charity, it was all pointless. But, at the top of his list he used the term “the tongues…of angels.” And, that did it. People have grabbed hold of that phrase and claim that their verbal recitations of noises and unknown, unrecognizable words are “the tongues of angels.” But, any honest reader of Paul’s words can see that Paul was not promoting the idea that angelic languages were suddenly available to mankind. He was saying that even if he spoke every language known among men and angels – a clear case of hyperbole – without Christian charity the sounds he made would sound like horns and cymbals. Even at Pentecost, the Apostles were not going through the gyrations and techniques advocated by modern Pentecostals in order to stimulate tongue-talking. In fact, they weren’t expecting it at all. God simply spoke through them by His Spirit and they spoke languages that were unknown to them, but known to their listeners. And, they all glorified God as a result. As far large churches uniting around tongue-talking, it does happen. Nothing unites people faster than a common experience. Like veterans getting together years after a war, they have a lasting bond because of the experience they shared. So, in order to build large congregations, many Pentecostal denominations insist that the only proof of the Spirit being in you – proof positive of your salvation – is that you talk in tongues. To be fair, many of them have backed off that position, seeing that it’s unscriptural, but there is still an undue emphasis on tongues in those churches. There’s more to say, and Paul instructed the Corinthian church about how to keep from letting tongue-talking get out of control in their meetings, but I think this is a fair overview. As for me, I’m just a stickler for the Word and I try to adjust our theology and our worship accordingly. Hope it helps.

Yours for His sake,

Jim McClarty

I would like to add a few more points from 1 Cor 14 that are taken out of context to support this gibberish language. We are actually the ones that make this wonderful Word of God contradict. We are the reason atheist have their fuel. Lets take a look:

1 Cor 14 Those who have the gift of speaking in different languages are not speaking to people; they are speaking to God. No one understands them; they are speaking secret things through the Spirit. So here we have a scripture that they use to support what they are doing. The bible says no one understand them because they are speaking things no one understands. Watch what happens when you read further down. 1 Cor 14 22a So the gift of speaking in different kinds of languages is a sign for those who do not believe, not for those who do believe. So first he says we are to speak secrets that no one understands and then he says its for the unbeliever. So we think this is a contradiction and we tried to answer it with our human wisdom to explain this. We even have an example of this from Acts. (Acts 2 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?) That was the sign for the unbelievers guys. That is how this gift is suppose to work. Paul even made this statement that through everything into perspective: 1 Cor 14 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet NONE OF THEM IS WITHOUT MEANING. Then he also says, 18I thank God that I speak in more languages than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. How often do you hear people say I speak in more tongues than you? You don’t hear that because it doesn’t make sense to us. Think about it, Paul traveled very often… he had to go to towns where he didn’t know the native language. Thats where the holy spirit had to step in and speak to them in their language. See what happened here is, we don’t understand the language that this was written in. Thats the problem we are having.

Mr McClarty has done a wonderful job with his response. That was absolutely biblical. Now we arent going to condemn those who do speak in this false version of tongues today but what I would say to them is to at least follow scripture in how you do it. Today we have the entire gathering screaming and yelling in what they feel is tongues. Scripture gives us understanding of how to use this gift. Never were we told to all do it at once… in fact we were told NOT do that.

1 Cor 14 6 So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, and another has a teaching. Another has a new truth from God. Another speaks in a different language,and another person interprets that language. The purpose of all these things should be to help the church grow strong. 27 When you meet together, if anyone speaks in a different language, it should be only two, or not more than three, who speak. They should speak one after the other, and someone should interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, then those who speak in a different language should be quiet in the church meeting. They should speak only to themselves and to God.

I hope you have learned something and that you will grab hold to the understanding about this gift. Don’t feel bad if you realize you never had this gift as I have and many have… but understand that God has given you other gifts that you can utilize and win souls to Christ or help the body.

Praise Jesus!

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A Pastor’s Authority

This is a good one… Learned a lot … ENJOY!!!

A Pastor’s Authority

by Ray C. Stedman

“Those who are supposed to rule over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them [Jesus said to his disciples]. But it shall not be so among you!” (Mark 10:42b-43a RSV)

Rather than being lords, he went on to say, disciples are to be servants of one another and the greatest is the one who is servant of all.

By these words Jesus indicates that an entirely different system of government than that employed by the world should prevail among Christians. Authority among Christians is not derived from the same source as worldly authority, nor is it to be exercised in the same manner. The world’s view of authority places men over one another, as in a military command structure, a business executive hierarchy, or a governmental system. This is as it should be. Urged by the competitiveness created by the Fall, and faced with the rebelliousness and ruthlessness of sinful human nature, the world could not function without the use of command structures and executive decision.

But as Jesus carefully stated, “…it shall not be so among you.” Disciples are always in a different relationship to one another than worldlings are. Christians are brothers and sisters, children of one Father, and members one of another. Jesus put it clearly in Matthew 23:8 (RSV): “One is your Master, and all you are brethren.”

Throughout twenty centuries the church has virtually ignored these words. Probably with the best of intentions, it has nevertheless repeatedly borrowed into the authority structures of the world, changed the names of executives from kings, generals, captains, presidents, governors, secretaries, heads, and chiefs to popes, patriarchs, bishops, stewards, deacons, pastors, and elders, and gone merrily on its way, lording it over the brethren and thus destroying the model of servant hood which our Lord intended. Christians have so totally forgotten Jesus’ words that they frequently have set up the world’s pattern of government without bothering to change the names, and have operated churches, mission organizations, youth organizations, schools, colleges, and seminaries, all in the name of Jesus Christ, but with presidents, directors, managers, heads and chiefs in no way different from corresponding secular structures.

It is probably too late to do much about altering the many structures that are commonly called “para-church” or “quasi church” organizations, but certainly Jesus’ words must not be ignored in the worship and training functions of the church itself. Somewhere, surely, the words of Jesus, “…it shall not be so among you,” must find some effect. Yet in most churches today an unthinking acceptance has been given to the idea that the pastor is the final voice of authority in both doctrine and practice, and that he is the executive officer of the church with respect to administration. But surely, if a pope over the whole church is bad, a pope in every church is no better!

It is clear from the Scriptures that the apostles were concerned about the danger of developing ecclesiastical bosses. In Second Corinthians 1:24a (RSV), Paul reminds the Corinthians concerning his own apostolic authority: “Not that we lord it over your faith; we work with you for your joy, …” In the same letter he describes, with apparent disapproval, how the Corinthians reacted to certain leaders among themselves: “For you bear it if a man makes slaves of you, or preys upon you, or takes advantage of you, or puts on airs, or strikes you in the face,” (2 Cor 11:20 RSV). Peter, too, is careful to warn the elders (and he includes himself among them) not to govern by being “domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock,” (1 Pet 5:3 RSV). And John speaks strongly against Diotrephes “who likes to put himself first, and takes it on himself to put some out of the church,” (cf, 3 Jn 1:9-10). These first-century examples of church bosses indicate how easily churches then, as in the 20th century, ignored the words of Jesus, “it shall not be so among you.”

But if the church is not to imitate the world in this matter, what is it to do? Leadership must certainly be exercised within the church, and there must be some form of authority. What is it to be? The question is answered in Jesus’ words: “One is your Master,” (Matt 23:8b KJV). All too long churches have behaved as if Jesus were far away in heaven, and he has left it up to church leaders to make their own decisions, and run their own affairs. But Jesus himself had assured them in giving the Great Commission, “Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the age,” (cf, Matt 28:20b). And in Matthew 18:20 (RSV) he reiterated, “… where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Clearly this indicates that he is present not only in the church as a whole but in every local church as well. It is Jesus himself, therefore, who is the ultimate authority within every body of Christians, and he is quite prepared to exercise his authority through the instrument he himself has ordained — the elder hood.

The task of the elders is not to run the church themselves, but to determine how the Lord in their midst wishes to run his church. Much of this he has already made known through the Scriptures, which describe the impartation and exercise of spiritual gifts, the availability of resurrection power, and the responsibility of believers to bear one another’s burdens, confess sins to one another, teach, admonish, and reprove one another, and witness to and serve the needs of a hurting world.

In the day-to-day decisions which every church faces, elders are to seek and find the mind of the Lord through an uncoerced unanimity, reached after thorough and biblically-related discussion. Thus, ultimate authority, even in practical matters, is vested in the Lord and in no one else. This is what the book of Acts reveals in its description of the initiative actions of the Holy Spirit, who obviously planned and ordered the evangelizing strategy of the early church (Acts 8, 13, etc.). The elders sought the mind of the Spirit, and, when it was made clear to them, they acted with unity of thought and purpose. (“For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden …” Acts 15:28a RSV.) The authority, therefore, was not the authority of men, but of God, and it was expressed not through men, acting as individuals, but through the collective, united agreement of men whom the Spirit had led to eldership (see Acts 20:28).

The point is: no one man is the sole expression of the mind of the Spirit: No individual has authority from God to direct the affairs of the church. A plurality of elders is necessary as a safeguard to the all-too-human tendency to play God over other people. Even then, the authority exercised is not one of domination and arbitrary decree over anyone. The ability of a servant to influence anyone else does not lie in ordering someone around, but by obtaining their voluntary consent. This is the nature of all authority among Christians, even that of the Lord himself! He does not force our obedience, but obtains it by love, expressed either in circumstantial discipline or by awakening gratitude through the meeting of our desperate needs.

The true authority of elders and other leaders in the church, then, is that of respect, aroused by their own loving and godly example. This is the force of two verses which are often cited by those who claim a unique authority of pastors over church members. The first is found in First Thessalonians 5:12-13a (RSV), “But we beseech you, brethren, to respect those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work.” The key phrase is “and are over you in the Lord.” The Greek word in question is prohistamenous. Though this is translated “over you” in both the Revised Standard and King James versions, the word itself contains no implication of being “over” another. The New English Bible more properly renders it, “… and in the Lord’s fellowship are your leaders and counselors.” The thought in the word is that of “standing before” others, not of “ruling over” them. It is the common word for leadership. Leaders can lead only if they are able to persuade some to follow.

Another verse used to support command authority is Hebrews 13:17a (RSV), which the Revised Standard Version renders, “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account.” The imperative translated “obey” is from the word peitho, “to persuade.” In the middle voice, used here, Thayer’s lexicon gives its meaning as “to suffer one’s self to be persuaded.” Again there is no thought of a right to command someone against his will, but the clear thrust is that leaders are persuaders whose ability to persuade arises not from a smooth tongue or a dominant personality, but from a personal walk which evokes respect.

At this point many may be tempted to say, “What difference does it make? After all, the pattern of command authority is too widely established to alter now, and, besides, many churches seem to be doing all right as it is; why try to change now?”

In response, consider the following:

The Bible indicates that any deviation from the divine plan inevitably produces weakness, division, strife, increasing fruitlessness, and, ultimately, death. The present low state of many churches is testimony to the effects of ignoring, over a long period of time, God’s way of working.

A command structure of authority in the church deprives the world of any model or demonstration of a different way of life than the one it already lives by. Worldlings see no difference in the church, and can see no reason why they should change and believe.

A command authority inevitably produces resentment, repression, exploitation and, finally, rebellion. It is the law, which Scripture assures us we can never redeem or restore, but which must, by its very nature, condemn and repress.

The desire of the Lord Jesus to show to the world a wholly new form of authority which is consistent with grace, not law, is nullified by a command structure among Christians, and the gospel of dying-to-live is denied even before it is proclaimed. This means that God is robbed of his glory and distorted before the watching world. Nothing could be more serious than this!

Admittedly, a call for a change of this nature is radical, even revolutionary. But since when was the church called to be a conforming society? Is it not high time we took seriously our Lord’s words: “it shall not be so among you”?